He isn't a good doer, and he maintains his weight nicely on this non heating diet, and the speedibeet is a great carrier for his supps, being moist. If he is dropping condition, we add oil for extra calories. He never has hard feed. I'm pretty happy with the speedibeet, but Hi Fi is molassed (as are ALL the Hi Fi range, even Hi Fi Lite), and in an ideal world I would rather he didn't have a molassed chaff, so I do periodically search for a better one, and would welcome other suggestions. For my HiPo, who doesn't need feeding other than to carry his supps, I make my own natural chaff by chopping up and soaking his normal hay!
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Re: Kinesiology « Result #4 Today at 8:03pm »
Although this thread has been about horses I'd like to tell you about my experience of kinesiology. A couple of years ago I was on a yard where one person made life extremely difficult if she took to doing so. To cut a long story short I had to leave and moved nearer home. Just after, I started having horrific cramps that would last on and off for weeks at a time. It was likened to colic in horses and one doctor thought it stemed from the bullying and abuse on the previous yard, sort of delayed stress. I was sent for tests that were both uncomfortable and embarrassing, but I felt the doctors wouldn't find anything sinister. After one really bad attack i was visiting Torrie when the YO asked if I'd thought of Kinesiology.I'd read about it but didn't know anyone who practised it. As it turned out the YO knew. It was the best money I ever spent on myself. She done food intolerence tests and I was actually eating the wrong food. Mainly wholemeal flour or anything like Wheatabix was a big no-no. I changed my diet but to be honest I knew I wasn't gonna have another attack. It was like something in my body was out of kilter and now it wasn't. I haven't had another attack since and have been discharged from hospital appointments When I told the doctors that I'd had Kinesiology they were non commital. I'm certainly NOT saying to use Kinesiology than a medical doctor, but I AM saying it helped me immensely and I'd certainly go back if I ever felt another attack was about to happen
Hey, ive been meaning to post this for a while!! Alex has been getting his special grub now for just over four weeks. In the mean time, he has a new top door. It sort of makes the bottom door higher and cieling/door frame lower. just enough room to get his head out for a nose. Hes reared a few times but has to step away from the door and into the stable. I think he knows he isnt getting anywhere so he also seems more chilled. Was in last night for me to ride this morning, and texts off everyone up before me were to say he never made a peep *thumbs up*
A few people have commented in the past week that he seems less alert so to speak. And ive noticed myself, just leading him in from the field he doesnt seem to be looking for something thats going to jump out on us. He has definatley improved riding, when technically most at this time dont. I can only ride two times a week, so generally he would be more on his toes at this time of year but he seems pretty settled. i even braved the high winds this morning, hi viz and exercise sheet flapping about with me lol. This never bothers him, but he was not looking for things to shy at in the bushes so much. We had one problem with a tractor with two bales on the front, he was unsure and tried to turn but the farmer backed away and he shakily did what i told him to do
Off we went for a brilliant ride, he is definatley wary of dogs now when ridden. This is why i believe in my above post he bolted etc. On hindsight it will be because of a dog that ran at us and jumped at him (not nasty it was a big pup), took me a couple of weeks to make the connection as hes fine with my dog and others on the yard. But im not on his back and we arent hacking so the situation isnt the same i suppose. But hes happy to an extent to stand and wait for the dog and walker to pass us by
I know its early days, but he seems to be slowly turning back into the horse i bought. On a bad note though i think something is up with his leg. He looked wrong trotting to me in the field but the field is very slippy and muddy so i ignored it as that as he was fine walking. Today he was fine walking ridden and trotting, but i went to trot down a small decline and he felt wrong. Looks sound on the yard. But about 4 weeks ago he was crippled lame on his off fore??! He was ok when i brought him in and pottery walking, ten crippled trotting. I turned him out as usual and the farrier said he would look the next morning. Sound as a pound.
So im going to keep him working but slow down a bit. May be coinsedence may not be, but hes happy to be ridden and i feel horrible saying it, but if i leave him and it doesnt develop then ive wasted time, if i ride him and it does then at least we can sort something that may be underlying. Cross your fingers, touch wood, dont break any mirrors and DO NOT walk under any ladders
I hope everyone else is seeing some positive results. (PS sorry for any and all spelling mistakes ive done this in about 3 mins )
Re: FAO Steve - The reluctant loader... « Result #8 Today at 1:45pm »
Hi Tomrabbit,
I've searched around t'internet for the ingredients of Spillers hi fibre pony cubes and can't find it anywhere at all, which I find a bit worrying. Could you please type out the ingredients for me, you should find it on the bag somewhere.
As for the Speedibeet I found the following information.
http://www.naturalhorseworld.com/ProductReviews.htm#speedibeet Sugar beet is grown in Europe and North America as an alternative to sugar cane which is grown in tropical and sub-tropical regions of the world. It is mainly grown as a source of table sugar for human consumption. After cleaning, the beet is sliced into cossettes by a machine that resembles a kitchen grater and as much surface area is presented to maximise the sugar extraction process as possible. The sliced sugar beet is mixed with hot water and the sugar is extracted. After the water has been squeezed out, the pulp is dried and usually molasses is added back where upon the pulp is either used in its shredded form or it is pelleted. Speedi-Beet is manufactured from beet pulp which has not had molasses added to it and is therefore around 95% sugar free. The beet pulp then undergoes a further patented process and is then cooked utilising our process, micronization. This involves heating the dried beet pulp at relatively low temperatures for a short time using infra-red heat and prevents the protein from denaturing allowing for quicker release of nutrients into the horse’s digestive system.
Ok, from that I understand that by adding hot water and then drying it etc etc this takes out 95% of the sugar BUT if I add boiling water to a tea bag for a cuppa then I were to dry the tea bag and use it again the next cuppa would yes be a tad weaker but not so weak that I would have to use another 19 used tea bags to make a decent cup. What the 'further patented process' is I've no idea, could be anything for all we know. As for the 'micronization', if you google the word I doubt that has little effect.
I think the point I'm trying to make is (please remember I'm not a nutritionist I'm just a lowly thinker), sugar comes from sugar beet. This root vegetable is very high in sugar content and no matter what we do with it it's still sugar beet. I don't know enough about nutrition so I can't say if it's good or bad and I get real confused and baffled when they start talking about %'s of ash, fat, protein etc.
Which and what Hi Fi is he getting?
Please don't think I'm being critical in any way, all I'm trying to do is get everyone to think about what it is we are actually feeding our horses and could this have an effect on their behaviour.
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Re: FAO Steve - The reluctant loader... « Result #9 Yesterday at 11:20pm »
Hi all! Sarah, thanks for your suggestions - all ideas very welcome! I think it is the movement behind him, especially because he thinks he is going to get shut in (which is of course quite correct!). He is naturally a very alert and naturally suspicious little chap, and spooks at the slightest thing (but not at big things like tractors, lorries, cows etc...!) Have tried lifting the ramp slightly - that has been quite successful - but can't risk going all the way because of the speed with which he backs out. Steve, I'm not surprised you've forgotten what we feed him - you must have seen hundreds of horses since then! In case it helps to remember, he is on your gallery with the title 'Don't want to'. He's on speedibeet and hi fi along with supplements (selenavite, Mag Ox and Yea Sacc). Only treats are spillers hi fibre pony cubes, and those herbal treats (no carrots, apples etc..). The reason we put the partition back, is because I need to use the box for my pony, and when the partition is out, he has a habit of trying to turn round and getting wedged. Being an old box, the partition is really heavy to lift out, so it has stayed in. But I can certainly take it out again to restart our trailer training! Feeling determined to get there this time! I will try the tape idea - haven't done that before. As far as recreating the situation outside the box is concerned, yes, he will happily stand on wood or tarp while noises are made behind him, and will stand next to the trailer while the ramp is put up behind him. I think he just has a deep rooted fear of being shut in the box. This may even stem from when we collected him, because after the ramp was put up, there was a slight delay before we were able to pull away, and he went completely ballistic in the box, to the extent that I was sure he would be injured (he wasn't). As soon as the car moved, he was fine. When you look at the photo in your gallery, you will probably recall how violently he took himself off, and that there was a real danger of him hitting his head. BJ, I'm sure you are right, and it would have been better to keep going at this in one spell, preferably in the school hols when there was time and daylight! Very ashamed that we didn't, but on the other hand, each time we come back to it, he pretty much carries on from where we left off the time before. We know him so much better now, one year on, and he trusts us so much more. I feel optimistic that when we restart training, we will get all the way this time.
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Re: FAO Edmund « Result #10 Yesterday at 10:58pm »
BJ, what a FANTASTIC idea!!!! I didn't think of that, but if we just removed the ramp, he could step into the box like they do in the USA, and I wouldn't have any heavy door to close.... Will get OH on the DIY job ASAP.
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